The Rumor of Divorce Between The LGB Community and The Ever Growing TQIA2S+ Seems To Be Taking Shape With A Growing Number Raising Their Voices In Support
The LGB didn't sign up for the public freak show that the T's have brought. And now the past 40 years have been erased. Now the LGB has been lumped in with pedos, freaks, perverts and in general the mentally unbalanced. Congrats. The past 40 years of progress as not being seen as deviants has now been erased. And it may never come back.
That’s probably because a staunchly anti-LGBTQ Republican won in 2016 and again in 2024. The public often doesn’t think for itself; it follows the elites. When the elites shift, the masses follow.
I don’t think Trump has a problem with gays or lesbians. He’s been in the entertainment business for years, and I have to guess that he’s associated with a lot of homosexuals. I’ve never read or heard of him saying anything negative, but maybe I missed it.
I don't like the guy either but that's a bad argument that will backfire on you. I live in rural TX and am gay. The right is far less concerned with LGB than with T or queer theory rather. Which nobody takes the time to read. It's garbage
I wish you would use male pronouns for the male M.P. Johnson. To use female pronouns for him gives implicit support to the TQ tenet that sex in humans is changeable. This false tenet is the source of all the trouble.
Eh as someone who's been critical of trans activism from the jump, I think there's a middle ground here. Sex in >99% of cases is set, whereas gender is socially fluid. If an adult wishes to identify as someone of the opposite sex via being trans (and note Im not saying this confers being recognized as biologically of the opposite sex re: sports, medical facilities etc.), I don't see why one shouldn't be respectful of their wishes . .that was the standard 30-40 years ago. I don't see why trans activism has to drag down normal transsexuals under the bus.
Because being "respectful of their wishes" necessarily entails being disrespectful of the wishes of a far larger group of people. Women (and also men, but it's much more important for women) need, want, and deserve single-sex spaces, including public toilet facilities. And here "sex" means biological sex, which is unambiguous in 99.98% of humans. The great majority of women do not want men in their single-sex spaces, period, no matter how good the surgical and chemical cosplay of those men is. And for a large number of these men (including predators who merely claim to be "trans"), that cosplay is very bad.
If we lived in a democracy, this question of social organization would be decided by popular vote, and there is no doubt how that vote would go.
More to the point, being “respectful of their wishes” requires you to ignore basic logic, and asking people to do so is Orwellian. If gender is a matter of psychology and not biology, how does anyone know if they are a man or a woman? And no, you can’t say “well, a woman is anyone who feels like a woman” because using a term in the definition of that same term is circular. It’s like saying “well, a rock is anything that looks like a rock”, a completely meaningless statement. The idea that “trans (wo)men are (wo)men” in reality completely eliminates the meanings of the terms “man” and “woman”, in addition to of course ignoring the obvious physical differences between “trans (wo)men” and actual (wo)men.
If a man wants to force himself on a woman, he's not gonna be stopped by a sign on the door that says "This is a space reserved only for women". This whole public bathroom conversation is very illogical if you think about it for longer than three seconds. Be sensible.
That's not true Lara. If men legally can't use female bathrooms and showers, they are more likely to be caught before raping a child or woman. Anyone who sees them enter can call attention to the crime of entry. The police can be called. Protective adults can be alerted to engage a criminal man on behalf of children and women in female spaces.
And this doesn't even account for the damage to children of letting adult men perve on them in female showers. In US Democrat-led states, men have the legal right to expose themselves to children in the YMCA and other gym showers. We're going to have a generation of kids who hate their bodies because adult men were allowed to sexualize them.
Don't put words in my mouth I didn't say. That was not my point. My point is that this debate is absurd because there is no ’safe space’ for women, no matter how much you insist in simbolic stuff. A bathroom door can't keep us safe from the wolves outside. With this rethoric, you're only adding to the preexisting stigma sorrounding trans people, who aren't any more violent than the average person.
If a man wants to murder someone, he's not gonna be stopped by a law against murder. So laws against murder are very illogical if you think about it for longer than three seconds. Be sensible.
A trans posted on x that a trans was 200 times more likely to punch a woman in the throat.
I wonder if women should feel a tad threatened by that? I wonder if that is the very thing that women are afraid of, when they think there might be a chance that that particular trans will be between them and the only exit out of that space ?
I wonder if that ease of access raises those particular thoughts in a woman’s mind.
Transsexuals have existed for eons. Rocky Horror Picture Show? The Crying Game? It was long recognized as a thing but transsexuals weren't demanding that biological sex be erased. That was an academic exercise that arose in the 90s/early 2000s from super radical professors like Butler and somehow got mainstreamed by the LGBTQ activist community when (and this isn't brought up in the piecebut it needs to be wrestled with) groups like GLAAD needed another cause to keep the money spigot rolling after SSM passed.
And note when I said "standard" I meant in the liberal community . .I know in conservative spaces they were all just considered degenerate freaks who are going to hell.
Eons since about 2010, with social media, they have existed...going back to a couple of murals in ancient Minoan civilization or some such example does nothing to explain the sudden explosion of this shiny new "identity" and the determination of hysterical activists to indoctrinate young children. As with bulimia, beatniks, Moonies, and Hare Khrisnas, it will become boring and lose its goal of being trendy and shocking. The sooner the better.
I don't know how old you are but transsexuals were a pretty widely known group in pop culture for many decades. You can choose not to believe me but it's true.
Good job reducing history to a few lines of comment on a social media site. Bessinger noted that nuance is lacking in the transgender debate and here, in the comments of his article, nuance is being overlooked for what? Comfort?
There's video of Marsha saying he's a gay man who is a drag queen ... not trans. But hey, the TQ+ alphabet mafia never let a fact get in the way of bullying.
To whom you are attracted sexually is mostly a subjective feeling (although there are some objective tests that can identify it) and therefore cannot reasonably be contested by an outside observer.
Where you decide to live your life on a spectrum of superficial, stereotypical male to female attributes (and we all do) is purely subjective and similarly cannot be questioned.
However, your biological sex reflects an objective reality which cannot be changed by your subjective personal view and futile attempts to do so can result in serious health impacts to you as well as harms to members of the sex you are impersonating (primarily women).
Others who are grounded in objective reality should never be forced to accept your subjective version of your actual biological sex.
Finally, it's past time for the LGB community to separate themselves from the trans activists who are trying to take away the rights of women to fairness in sports and to privacy and safety in their restrooms, locker rooms and prisons. They also advocate for the chemical and surgical mutilation of children many of whom would grow up gay.
Their actions are evil and the
understandable negative reaction to the harm they are causing is spilling over to innocent people who are just going about their business, marrying and leading their lives.
"Queer cis woman." Hahaha, you've managed to make yourself a victim by choosing a label in the alphabet soup.
Assuming you're immersed in the oppressed-oppressor belief system, claiming victim status means you are no longer the oppressor. It must feel so good to you to pretend to be oppressed. Lol
It's not a feeling. It's common knowledge that white heterosexuals are desperate to join the lbgTQIA2S+ because most of them feel inappropriate guilt for being white. They've been taught they are oppressors unless they are oppressed. You can't opt out of your race, but you can opt into the oppressed Alphabet group simply by choosing a label such as queer or even A for Ally.
This mess started with blaming people based on the race they were born into. Instead of looking at their own behavior and realizing they're not automatically an oppressor based on their skin color, they took on the mantle of racist or homophobe or transphobe. They believed the lies they were taught in school and college. White people who inherit money have this guilt so bad, they think they have white privilege. What they have is wealth privilege. If they thought through the accusations of white privilege, they'd realize that millions of poor white people don't have the same privileges they have by receiving financial support (parents who pay for college, help them buy their first home, give them nice cars and a big expensive wedding that impresses potential employers, make connections for them with powerful people) and inheritance (the expensive family home, company or other multigenerational wealth accumulation and transfer). Millions of white people get absolutely nothing from their parents. Did they just forget to use their white privilege? Or is it inaccurate to think white people automatically get advantages based on their skin color? Is it more accurate to track their advantages back to their wealthy parents?
This white guilt and people assuming the label or oppressor based on their category they have no control over (straight and white) is what makes them desperate to “opt into” the lbgTQIA2S+ group. By claiming to be Queer or an Ally, they can alleviate their mistakenly assumed guilt.
Welcome to the alphabet soup. The more non-homosexual people we have joining, the sooner lesbians and gay men will want out.
"stick together" -- that's a good one. Queer Theory, in which the aim is to erase the reality of (or at least the recognition of, or the language of) all differences between sexes or genders and any norm related thereto that "cause oppression" (because distinctions, and especially binaries, and norms -- such as marriage, or same-sex spaces, and for some even the protective norm that children cannot consent to sex or permant body alteration) that are meaningful to the overwhelming majority of human beings, INCLUDING LGB folk. Sex is binary. Normativity is not something you can define out of existence-- like physical sex, it just IS. Being Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual is not "normative" in the procreation sense (two guys can't make a baby by having sex). The way you stop oppression is not by blurring our differences, but to make it clear to everyone that what we all have in common is overwhelmingly more important when comes to how we treat each other. TQ+ tries to erase reality. LGB (and anyone else who wants neither to squash nor to get squashed) overcomes it. They are not compatible.
More importantly, the classical gay/lesbian movement bubbling up out of the Cultural Revolution of the 60s—along with the Feminist movement—and their supposed “moderate” heirs today (anti-LGBTQ gays & lesbians and TERFs) are, metaphorically speaking, the warm relaxing water that began the proverbial frog’s eventual boiling to death.
I.e., for those obtuse people who dominate the entire social fucking media world: gays and lesbians and Feminists are co-dependent enablers of the Frankenstein monsters they bitch about.
Wrong. Feminists have always fought for women's rights. Sure, you can find some foolish women who pretend(ed) that men can change sex. But most feminists are sex realists.
Join the fight and you'll meet some of the amazing women. Or waste everyone's time with your stupid opinion that TERFs support men's rights above women's.
It is deeply disheartening to experience the denial of your identity and social ostracization simply for being attracted to biological men. The fear of an angry response, rooted in past negative experiences, highlights a profound lack of dignity for gay men and women, who are being gaslighted into suppressing their authentic feelings under threat of exclusion from the very community they helped build. Refusing to engage with any group that unquestioningly adheres to a belief system, which you identify as cult-like behavior, underscores your sadness—not for the reasons others might claim, but because gender ideologues crossed an unnecessary boundary. This division was not initiated by gay and lesbian individuals but was a calculated move by those with an agenda to undermine your existence.
You are welcome to express yourself, however, as a 74 yo B, I am welcome to disagree with you. Yes, there has been bad behavior from some of the Trans community. However, when you paint the entire Trans community with your broad brush you are not being helpful. I agree with the commenters who feel divisive rhetoric is just doing MAGA’s job for them. I don’t hate Rowling or Navratilova anymore than I hate most MAGA voters. I do get angry at many of their actions. To me tho’, that is bad behavior that needs to be addressed as what it is…bad behavior. Just as what you are describing from some of the Trans community needs to be called out for what it is…bad behavior. Are you willing to accept that nuance, or do you just want to divide and conquer?
Just keep your Bananies out of our bathroom, thank you.
If men stay out of female private spaces, no one cares about their absurd performance of what they believe a woman should look and act like. It's the infringement on women's spaces, lesbian rights and coming after our kids that made us finally divorce the TQ from the LGB. You can hang out with the penis-bearers all you want. The rest of us want to kick them out of our lives and spaces.
You “don’t hate Rowling or Navratilova anymore than … “ but you do hate them? 😔 I rather appreciate them for their stance for women’s rights. I’m not sure I agree with splitting off the T+ though. We’re all taking a stance against (or for the expansion of) sexual & gender norms, seems like. Queens have been around the gay scene since forever! (Granted, not all cross-dressers say they’re trans & vice-versa.) Never was enamored with drag shows but seems many are (in their place, like a gay bar).
No, I don’t hate them. I do get angry at some of their words and behaviors. There is a difference between being angry at someone and hating them. I am not an either/or thinker.
This methodical and well laid out argument for a divorce hits close to home, thank you. I think the TQIA+ was tacked on for two reasons: the first is that the LGB portion of the group had done all the work for 6 decades before, so why not take advantage of groups that had fought a very hard won battle? The second is the coming of age of the idea intersectionality. All 'victims' must band together to be one. In concordance with this they spread the lie that Ts were being subject to violence and vicious attacks, for which there was very little proof. TQIA+ were victimizers, not victims. Harassing women, wanting to sexualize children, taking away the ability for girls to compete fairly in sports and, of course, the insistence that gays and lesbians 'accept' those who were not same sex as sexual partners. They, in effect, we're trying to erase homosexuals.
On the trans (‘woman’) side, they are creeps. Without exception. As I’ve said, the LGB need a divorce from the TQIA+ crowd. The best thing all G and L organizations can do is to publicly disavow the TQIA crowd and move on.
We are learning more and learning again what we have always known. I am a straight woman. I’m not really bothered by effeminate gay men. And many young trans boys may be this way. I’m wary of giving them puberty blockers and denying them their manhood which they will probably enjoy if they get a chance to get there. I am bothered by autogynophilia, which are the cross dressing fetishists that are as old as time, who force all of us to play a part in their sexual fantasies. I’m not having it. We don’t have to participate and I’m tired of it.
As a woman, I also fear that young pubescent women who want to transition are having body issues that normally do resolve themselves with maturity and these women may be lesbian or they may not and either way they will probably want their sex organs in adulthood and we need to protect them.
Democrats no longer see women as full human beings. Women are now a costume that can be donned by any man at any time and no woman is allowed a public space, regardless of how intimate, without men being not only welcomed, but given preferential treatment since the women were never given a choice. That's not on MAGA. They have a separate set of rules they're trying to impose on women against their will.
I wasn't talking about democrats, im talking about, what happens when people isolate themselves and group think into smaller identification groups. These groups are then easier to drive wedges through and break off from the greater whole. In a time when the right hates us all through whatever the new identity is now, want to see us in camps or die.
Bigotry is alive and well on the left, biology based bigotry, othering already vulnerable groups, the you are not in my group so “eff off” and die, I got mine so screw you mentality is no different than the right.
They want to crush you, they want to crush me. Instead I see lefties doing the work themselves
Hard NO. We're not going to support the right of misogynistic male transgenders to oppress, perform caricatures of women and expose their genitals to our children in the hope that dopes like you don't call us MAGA.
Sorry, our kids and our dignity, privacy and safety in female showers is more important that the fee fees of men who pretend to be women.
Lesbian conversion therapy MAGA style, what will that look like Sally J? Would that be a women only lesbian haven? Or will MAGA need capo's to deal our punishment to the rest of the women?
What I have been afraid of is that the trans movement is coming for effeminate male children and girls who display masculine characteristics. Left alone these will probably grow up to be gay or lesbian. Trans want to deny them that chance and mutilate them to fulfill their agenda.
oof, big ernst röhm vibes coming from a fellow native south carolina f*gg*t. (go gamecocks!?)
as several other commenters have pointed out, quite threateningly i might add, the very people you’re trying to ingratiate yourself to with this vile, imbecilic hot take have every intention of eradicating you from public life as well.
idk, maybe look deeper and find the source of your confusion & angst rather than throwing transsexuals into the gears of the christo-fascist murder machine? they’re definitely coming after you too, bb!
we need solidarity right now. not this. i’m a clinical chaplain, former republican fuk boi, and full-time transsexual w/ a mouthful of swears and a southern drawl.
i’m not sure there are more of us. i think we’re just getting more visibility in public life. the hundreds of millions spent to slander and vilify transsexuals as the scapegoat de jour has done more to elevate our status and open people up to questioning gender norms than anything we’ve ever done, imo. so that’s ironic.
but why do you care? what’s behind all the animus? you really think hating the same people as those who ferociously hate you is a flex, a survival strategy, a moral stance, an intellectual achievement? you really think you’re safer with us excommunicated from the LGB community?
Thats the biggest difference between us. In your mind, all of this boils down to seeking someone elses validation and approval. I dont need that. I dont seek that. I've come to the conclusion that Transgenderism and Gender Theory are toxic and destructive to society at large, regardless of what some arbitrary political party may have to say on the topic. Its not about needing anyone else to confirm me, the way it seems to be for you. We think for ourselves in this house.
lol, the far right has had openly gay guys forever, Europe and America. We aren’t coming for these normal gays or ending gay marriage legally. We’re just not allowing men in women’s sports or child genital mutilation or chemical castration.
Rohm wasn't taken out because he was gay. Any more than Goring was disavowed for being a cross-dressing opioid addict. In both cases it was because of their (anticipated or real) designs on power.
If male transgenders are so hot, why don't you just go have sex with each other? Why do you keep trying to screw lesbians.
If you stayed in your lane instead of harassing women who don't agree that you are women, we would have left you alone. But no, you had to call us bigots for not sucking your dick.
Now you're getting pushback for being abusive creeps. Get out of our showers, stay out of our bathrooms and quit hitting on us and calling us names on dating apps and social media. What do you NOT understand about same-sex attraction?
I wrote about this sometime ago. It’s absolutely true. Thank you for sharing this. I have nothing to do with gay pride this month. In fact, I stay away from all of it until we can regain of dignity.
I’ve been concerned about this for women….. all women. It doesn’t help when athletes, actors/actresses, and government officials ignore reality and affirm the trans ideology. It’s maddening and horrifying.
I do have one issue with the article. I’m very centrist in my political beliefs and have friends on both sides of the political aisle. Not a single one of my Republican friends have an issue with lesbians or gay men. Radical is radical for both Parties. There are plenty of conservatives who are lesbians/gay. Let’s stand together as women and defend women/girls: Republican, Democrat, Atheist, Christian, Homosexual, Heterosexual…we’re all women and we are all being subjected to this abuse. As bad as it is in free and open spaces, imagine being in a state that allows sexual predators to identify as women so you are trapped with them in prison.
This is happening now! Men who say they are women are in women’s prisons and it is totally inhumane! Trans is a lie! Sex is Real, Gender is fiction. And the only people it benefits is Men!
The LGB didn't sign up for the public freak show that the T's have brought. And now the past 40 years have been erased. Now the LGB has been lumped in with pedos, freaks, perverts and in general the mentally unbalanced. Congrats. The past 40 years of progress as not being seen as deviants has now been erased. And it may never come back.
True. After years of growing acceptance, support for gay marriage is declining.
That’s probably because a staunchly anti-LGBTQ Republican won in 2016 and again in 2024. The public often doesn’t think for itself; it follows the elites. When the elites shift, the masses follow.
I don’t think Trump has a problem with gays or lesbians. He’s been in the entertainment business for years, and I have to guess that he’s associated with a lot of homosexuals. I’ve never read or heard of him saying anything negative, but maybe I missed it.
I don't like the guy either but that's a bad argument that will backfire on you. I live in rural TX and am gay. The right is far less concerned with LGB than with T or queer theory rather. Which nobody takes the time to read. It's garbage
Yet he has appointed gays to his Cabinet like Scott Bessent (who has a husband and kids) and Ric Grenell.😉
Wrong. The public despises elites. Hence the popularity of fealty seekers Trump & Bernie.
I wish you would use male pronouns for the male M.P. Johnson. To use female pronouns for him gives implicit support to the TQ tenet that sex in humans is changeable. This false tenet is the source of all the trouble.
Note taken. I agree. And I’ve adjusted.
Thank you.
Eh as someone who's been critical of trans activism from the jump, I think there's a middle ground here. Sex in >99% of cases is set, whereas gender is socially fluid. If an adult wishes to identify as someone of the opposite sex via being trans (and note Im not saying this confers being recognized as biologically of the opposite sex re: sports, medical facilities etc.), I don't see why one shouldn't be respectful of their wishes . .that was the standard 30-40 years ago. I don't see why trans activism has to drag down normal transsexuals under the bus.
Because being "respectful of their wishes" necessarily entails being disrespectful of the wishes of a far larger group of people. Women (and also men, but it's much more important for women) need, want, and deserve single-sex spaces, including public toilet facilities. And here "sex" means biological sex, which is unambiguous in 99.98% of humans. The great majority of women do not want men in their single-sex spaces, period, no matter how good the surgical and chemical cosplay of those men is. And for a large number of these men (including predators who merely claim to be "trans"), that cosplay is very bad.
If we lived in a democracy, this question of social organization would be decided by popular vote, and there is no doubt how that vote would go.
More to the point, being “respectful of their wishes” requires you to ignore basic logic, and asking people to do so is Orwellian. If gender is a matter of psychology and not biology, how does anyone know if they are a man or a woman? And no, you can’t say “well, a woman is anyone who feels like a woman” because using a term in the definition of that same term is circular. It’s like saying “well, a rock is anything that looks like a rock”, a completely meaningless statement. The idea that “trans (wo)men are (wo)men” in reality completely eliminates the meanings of the terms “man” and “woman”, in addition to of course ignoring the obvious physical differences between “trans (wo)men” and actual (wo)men.
If a man wants to force himself on a woman, he's not gonna be stopped by a sign on the door that says "This is a space reserved only for women". This whole public bathroom conversation is very illogical if you think about it for longer than three seconds. Be sensible.
That's not true Lara. If men legally can't use female bathrooms and showers, they are more likely to be caught before raping a child or woman. Anyone who sees them enter can call attention to the crime of entry. The police can be called. Protective adults can be alerted to engage a criminal man on behalf of children and women in female spaces.
And this doesn't even account for the damage to children of letting adult men perve on them in female showers. In US Democrat-led states, men have the legal right to expose themselves to children in the YMCA and other gym showers. We're going to have a generation of kids who hate their bodies because adult men were allowed to sexualize them.
That's a fair point. I stand corrected.
Holy Shit! I feel like a witness to history being made. Kudos to you, and I mean it.
Doesn’t matter. There still needs to be a designated, private place for women to gather. Sounds like you just don’t care about women.
Don't put words in my mouth I didn't say. That was not my point. My point is that this debate is absurd because there is no ’safe space’ for women, no matter how much you insist in simbolic stuff. A bathroom door can't keep us safe from the wolves outside. With this rethoric, you're only adding to the preexisting stigma sorrounding trans people, who aren't any more violent than the average person.
There is data: "trans women" are just as violent, on average, as cis men. Women and "trans men" are, on average, much less violent.
Ok I agree with you. But isn’t it best to have somewhat of a facade?
If a man wants to murder someone, he's not gonna be stopped by a law against murder. So laws against murder are very illogical if you think about it for longer than three seconds. Be sensible.
A trans posted on x that a trans was 200 times more likely to punch a woman in the throat.
I wonder if women should feel a tad threatened by that? I wonder if that is the very thing that women are afraid of, when they think there might be a chance that that particular trans will be between them and the only exit out of that space ?
I wonder if that ease of access raises those particular thoughts in a woman’s mind.
No one talked about--or thought about--trans people 30 or 40 years. They scarcely existed.
Transsexuals have existed for eons. Rocky Horror Picture Show? The Crying Game? It was long recognized as a thing but transsexuals weren't demanding that biological sex be erased. That was an academic exercise that arose in the 90s/early 2000s from super radical professors like Butler and somehow got mainstreamed by the LGBTQ activist community when (and this isn't brought up in the piecebut it needs to be wrestled with) groups like GLAAD needed another cause to keep the money spigot rolling after SSM passed.
The dude in Crying Game was a cross dresser and Rocky Horror was a transvestite
Yes, mental illness has been around for many thousands of years. Good point.
And note when I said "standard" I meant in the liberal community . .I know in conservative spaces they were all just considered degenerate freaks who are going to hell.
Eons since about 2010, with social media, they have existed...going back to a couple of murals in ancient Minoan civilization or some such example does nothing to explain the sudden explosion of this shiny new "identity" and the determination of hysterical activists to indoctrinate young children. As with bulimia, beatniks, Moonies, and Hare Khrisnas, it will become boring and lose its goal of being trendy and shocking. The sooner the better.
I don't know how old you are but transsexuals were a pretty widely known group in pop culture for many decades. You can choose not to believe me but it's true.
Good job reducing history to a few lines of comment on a social media site. Bessinger noted that nuance is lacking in the transgender debate and here, in the comments of his article, nuance is being overlooked for what? Comfort?
I disagree. Enough is enough. I refuse to let the bullies tell me how to perceive the world.
It's not about "respect". It's about reality.
The light is certainly fading.
Too bad. You don't get to demand my consent or compel my speech. Again, the time of TRA bullying is coming to an end.
"Respect" would be not demanding that I speak and act in a way that contradicts obvious reality.
Are you planning on regurgitating the same point ad nauseam?
Cretin
As long as you do your "respect me!!!" coercive bullshit act -- emphatically yes.
There's video of Marsha saying he's a gay man who is a drag queen ... not trans. But hey, the TQ+ alphabet mafia never let a fact get in the way of bullying.
As a Trump supporter who is gay I fully support agree with the divorce of LGB
To whom you are attracted sexually is mostly a subjective feeling (although there are some objective tests that can identify it) and therefore cannot reasonably be contested by an outside observer.
Where you decide to live your life on a spectrum of superficial, stereotypical male to female attributes (and we all do) is purely subjective and similarly cannot be questioned.
However, your biological sex reflects an objective reality which cannot be changed by your subjective personal view and futile attempts to do so can result in serious health impacts to you as well as harms to members of the sex you are impersonating (primarily women).
Others who are grounded in objective reality should never be forced to accept your subjective version of your actual biological sex.
Finally, it's past time for the LGB community to separate themselves from the trans activists who are trying to take away the rights of women to fairness in sports and to privacy and safety in their restrooms, locker rooms and prisons. They also advocate for the chemical and surgical mutilation of children many of whom would grow up gay.
Their actions are evil and the
understandable negative reaction to the harm they are causing is spilling over to innocent people who are just going about their business, marrying and leading their lives.
What's ironic is it's mostly been straight white women championing the Trans kids cause that has tanked a lot of LGB good will.
This is so sad to me. We need to stick together. Making the trans community your scapegoat is not going ease the pressure coming from the right.
Do you think calling a Lesbian a bigot for what she is naturally attracted to is helping a sense of bonding between LGB and TQ?
We're not together because we have nothing in common.
Your trans community is the reason we LGB are in this mess.
I’m actually not trans. I’m speaking here as a queer cis woman
Ah, using the slur now! Aren't you special! You're still part of the reason lesbians and gays are in the mess we're in now.
"Queer cis woman." Hahaha, you've managed to make yourself a victim by choosing a label in the alphabet soup.
Assuming you're immersed in the oppressed-oppressor belief system, claiming victim status means you are no longer the oppressor. It must feel so good to you to pretend to be oppressed. Lol
Ok, sorry you feel that way
It's not a feeling. It's common knowledge that white heterosexuals are desperate to join the lbgTQIA2S+ because most of them feel inappropriate guilt for being white. They've been taught they are oppressors unless they are oppressed. You can't opt out of your race, but you can opt into the oppressed Alphabet group simply by choosing a label such as queer or even A for Ally.
This mess started with blaming people based on the race they were born into. Instead of looking at their own behavior and realizing they're not automatically an oppressor based on their skin color, they took on the mantle of racist or homophobe or transphobe. They believed the lies they were taught in school and college. White people who inherit money have this guilt so bad, they think they have white privilege. What they have is wealth privilege. If they thought through the accusations of white privilege, they'd realize that millions of poor white people don't have the same privileges they have by receiving financial support (parents who pay for college, help them buy their first home, give them nice cars and a big expensive wedding that impresses potential employers, make connections for them with powerful people) and inheritance (the expensive family home, company or other multigenerational wealth accumulation and transfer). Millions of white people get absolutely nothing from their parents. Did they just forget to use their white privilege? Or is it inaccurate to think white people automatically get advantages based on their skin color? Is it more accurate to track their advantages back to their wealthy parents?
This white guilt and people assuming the label or oppressor based on their category they have no control over (straight and white) is what makes them desperate to “opt into” the lbgTQIA2S+ group. By claiming to be Queer or an Ally, they can alleviate their mistakenly assumed guilt.
Welcome to the alphabet soup. The more non-homosexual people we have joining, the sooner lesbians and gay men will want out.
"stick together" -- that's a good one. Queer Theory, in which the aim is to erase the reality of (or at least the recognition of, or the language of) all differences between sexes or genders and any norm related thereto that "cause oppression" (because distinctions, and especially binaries, and norms -- such as marriage, or same-sex spaces, and for some even the protective norm that children cannot consent to sex or permant body alteration) that are meaningful to the overwhelming majority of human beings, INCLUDING LGB folk. Sex is binary. Normativity is not something you can define out of existence-- like physical sex, it just IS. Being Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual is not "normative" in the procreation sense (two guys can't make a baby by having sex). The way you stop oppression is not by blurring our differences, but to make it clear to everyone that what we all have in common is overwhelmingly more important when comes to how we treat each other. TQ+ tries to erase reality. LGB (and anyone else who wants neither to squash nor to get squashed) overcomes it. They are not compatible.
You are all disgusting pervs
Thanks 😂
More importantly, the classical gay/lesbian movement bubbling up out of the Cultural Revolution of the 60s—along with the Feminist movement—and their supposed “moderate” heirs today (anti-LGBTQ gays & lesbians and TERFs) are, metaphorically speaking, the warm relaxing water that began the proverbial frog’s eventual boiling to death.
I.e., for those obtuse people who dominate the entire social fucking media world: gays and lesbians and Feminists are co-dependent enablers of the Frankenstein monsters they bitch about.
Wrong. Feminists have always fought for women's rights. Sure, you can find some foolish women who pretend(ed) that men can change sex. But most feminists are sex realists.
Join the fight and you'll meet some of the amazing women. Or waste everyone's time with your stupid opinion that TERFs support men's rights above women's.
straw man fallacy
You're the one who made a strawman by pretending women work to elevate male rights above female. That's just stupid.
Exactly
Kill yourself asshole
You wish POS
It is deeply disheartening to experience the denial of your identity and social ostracization simply for being attracted to biological men. The fear of an angry response, rooted in past negative experiences, highlights a profound lack of dignity for gay men and women, who are being gaslighted into suppressing their authentic feelings under threat of exclusion from the very community they helped build. Refusing to engage with any group that unquestioningly adheres to a belief system, which you identify as cult-like behavior, underscores your sadness—not for the reasons others might claim, but because gender ideologues crossed an unnecessary boundary. This division was not initiated by gay and lesbian individuals but was a calculated move by those with an agenda to undermine your existence.
You are welcome to express yourself, however, as a 74 yo B, I am welcome to disagree with you. Yes, there has been bad behavior from some of the Trans community. However, when you paint the entire Trans community with your broad brush you are not being helpful. I agree with the commenters who feel divisive rhetoric is just doing MAGA’s job for them. I don’t hate Rowling or Navratilova anymore than I hate most MAGA voters. I do get angry at many of their actions. To me tho’, that is bad behavior that needs to be addressed as what it is…bad behavior. Just as what you are describing from some of the Trans community needs to be called out for what it is…bad behavior. Are you willing to accept that nuance, or do you just want to divide and conquer?
JKR and Martina are heroes. Absolute heroes.
Just keep your Bananies out of our bathroom, thank you.
If men stay out of female private spaces, no one cares about their absurd performance of what they believe a woman should look and act like. It's the infringement on women's spaces, lesbian rights and coming after our kids that made us finally divorce the TQ from the LGB. You can hang out with the penis-bearers all you want. The rest of us want to kick them out of our lives and spaces.
You “don’t hate Rowling or Navratilova anymore than … “ but you do hate them? 😔 I rather appreciate them for their stance for women’s rights. I’m not sure I agree with splitting off the T+ though. We’re all taking a stance against (or for the expansion of) sexual & gender norms, seems like. Queens have been around the gay scene since forever! (Granted, not all cross-dressers say they’re trans & vice-versa.) Never was enamored with drag shows but seems many are (in their place, like a gay bar).
No, I don’t hate them. I do get angry at some of their words and behaviors. There is a difference between being angry at someone and hating them. I am not an either/or thinker.
The only thing I've ever seen from JKR and Navritalova is 100% normal, straightforward beliefs rooted in ordinary, obvious biology.
They're goddamn heroes for defending women and not putting up with any bullshit.
Dont know how this came up in my feed. Mr. Bessinger, I suggest you seek God and figure out why you have such hate in your heart
This methodical and well laid out argument for a divorce hits close to home, thank you. I think the TQIA+ was tacked on for two reasons: the first is that the LGB portion of the group had done all the work for 6 decades before, so why not take advantage of groups that had fought a very hard won battle? The second is the coming of age of the idea intersectionality. All 'victims' must band together to be one. In concordance with this they spread the lie that Ts were being subject to violence and vicious attacks, for which there was very little proof. TQIA+ were victimizers, not victims. Harassing women, wanting to sexualize children, taking away the ability for girls to compete fairly in sports and, of course, the insistence that gays and lesbians 'accept' those who were not same sex as sexual partners. They, in effect, we're trying to erase homosexuals.
On the trans (‘woman’) side, they are creeps. Without exception. As I’ve said, the LGB need a divorce from the TQIA+ crowd. The best thing all G and L organizations can do is to publicly disavow the TQIA crowd and move on.
We are learning more and learning again what we have always known. I am a straight woman. I’m not really bothered by effeminate gay men. And many young trans boys may be this way. I’m wary of giving them puberty blockers and denying them their manhood which they will probably enjoy if they get a chance to get there. I am bothered by autogynophilia, which are the cross dressing fetishists that are as old as time, who force all of us to play a part in their sexual fantasies. I’m not having it. We don’t have to participate and I’m tired of it.
As a woman, I also fear that young pubescent women who want to transition are having body issues that normally do resolve themselves with maturity and these women may be lesbian or they may not and either way they will probably want their sex organs in adulthood and we need to protect them.
“We are learning more and learning again what we have always known.” Yep. Everything old is new again.
Experts in division. Divide and conquer. Im a nobody but you're doing MAGA'S work.
Democrats no longer see women as full human beings. Women are now a costume that can be donned by any man at any time and no woman is allowed a public space, regardless of how intimate, without men being not only welcomed, but given preferential treatment since the women were never given a choice. That's not on MAGA. They have a separate set of rules they're trying to impose on women against their will.
I wasn't talking about democrats, im talking about, what happens when people isolate themselves and group think into smaller identification groups. These groups are then easier to drive wedges through and break off from the greater whole. In a time when the right hates us all through whatever the new identity is now, want to see us in camps or die.
Bigotry is alive and well on the left, biology based bigotry, othering already vulnerable groups, the you are not in my group so “eff off” and die, I got mine so screw you mentality is no different than the right.
They want to crush you, they want to crush me. Instead I see lefties doing the work themselves
It's fucking pathetic!
Hard NO. We're not going to support the right of misogynistic male transgenders to oppress, perform caricatures of women and expose their genitals to our children in the hope that dopes like you don't call us MAGA.
Sorry, our kids and our dignity, privacy and safety in female showers is more important that the fee fees of men who pretend to be women.
MAGA hates you still so do the work for them. It's bigotry, you are a bigot.
The word "bigot," like "genocide," has lost all meaning due to improper and incessant use.
Trans drove the wedge.
Doesn't fucking matter who's at fault at this point. Keep fighting eachother and end up in concentration camps or work in the fields until you die!
Wow dude, get out of your left wing media bubble.
Concentration camps, lol.
Lesbian conversion therapy MAGA style, what will that look like Sally J? Would that be a women only lesbian haven? Or will MAGA need capo's to deal our punishment to the rest of the women?
They built one on Florida, I wonder where the one for gay conversion therapy will be?
What I have been afraid of is that the trans movement is coming for effeminate male children and girls who display masculine characteristics. Left alone these will probably grow up to be gay or lesbian. Trans want to deny them that chance and mutilate them to fulfill their agenda.
oof, big ernst röhm vibes coming from a fellow native south carolina f*gg*t. (go gamecocks!?)
as several other commenters have pointed out, quite threateningly i might add, the very people you’re trying to ingratiate yourself to with this vile, imbecilic hot take have every intention of eradicating you from public life as well.
idk, maybe look deeper and find the source of your confusion & angst rather than throwing transsexuals into the gears of the christo-fascist murder machine? they’re definitely coming after you too, bb!
we need solidarity right now. not this. i’m a clinical chaplain, former republican fuk boi, and full-time transsexual w/ a mouthful of swears and a southern drawl.
maybe i can help? ✊
Thats gonna be a hard-pass, Mr. Sister.
haha. it’s your funeral! see ya in the camps.
💀👄🦋
You people have been saying that since 2016, yet there are more of you every few days. Not a very efficient genocide, is it?
Hahaha, these gender pretenders spend way too much time on TikTok. Genocide! Lol.
i’m not sure there are more of us. i think we’re just getting more visibility in public life. the hundreds of millions spent to slander and vilify transsexuals as the scapegoat de jour has done more to elevate our status and open people up to questioning gender norms than anything we’ve ever done, imo. so that’s ironic.
but why do you care? what’s behind all the animus? you really think hating the same people as those who ferociously hate you is a flex, a survival strategy, a moral stance, an intellectual achievement? you really think you’re safer with us excommunicated from the LGB community?
Thats the biggest difference between us. In your mind, all of this boils down to seeking someone elses validation and approval. I dont need that. I dont seek that. I've come to the conclusion that Transgenderism and Gender Theory are toxic and destructive to society at large, regardless of what some arbitrary political party may have to say on the topic. Its not about needing anyone else to confirm me, the way it seems to be for you. We think for ourselves in this house.
i don’t see much difference between us, tbh. & i think that’s probably the biggest difference between us.
lol, the far right has had openly gay guys forever, Europe and America. We aren’t coming for these normal gays or ending gay marriage legally. We’re just not allowing men in women’s sports or child genital mutilation or chemical castration.
lol, you don’t know who ernst röhm is do you?
Rohm wasn't taken out because he was gay. Any more than Goring was disavowed for being a cross-dressing opioid addict. In both cases it was because of their (anticipated or real) designs on power.
Why would any people who were sane want "solidarity" with deranged freaks?
because we’re hot as fuk!
About that delusion…..
People who are hot don't have to spend their time telling everyone else that they are hot.
fair enough. but why so much vitriol toward something you know nothing about?
If male transgenders are so hot, why don't you just go have sex with each other? Why do you keep trying to screw lesbians.
If you stayed in your lane instead of harassing women who don't agree that you are women, we would have left you alone. But no, you had to call us bigots for not sucking your dick.
Now you're getting pushback for being abusive creeps. Get out of our showers, stay out of our bathrooms and quit hitting on us and calling us names on dating apps and social media. What do you NOT understand about same-sex attraction?
YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN.
Admit it, you find Nazi leather hot.
I wrote about this sometime ago. It’s absolutely true. Thank you for sharing this. I have nothing to do with gay pride this month. In fact, I stay away from all of it until we can regain of dignity.
I’ve been concerned about this for women….. all women. It doesn’t help when athletes, actors/actresses, and government officials ignore reality and affirm the trans ideology. It’s maddening and horrifying.
I do have one issue with the article. I’m very centrist in my political beliefs and have friends on both sides of the political aisle. Not a single one of my Republican friends have an issue with lesbians or gay men. Radical is radical for both Parties. There are plenty of conservatives who are lesbians/gay. Let’s stand together as women and defend women/girls: Republican, Democrat, Atheist, Christian, Homosexual, Heterosexual…we’re all women and we are all being subjected to this abuse. As bad as it is in free and open spaces, imagine being in a state that allows sexual predators to identify as women so you are trapped with them in prison.
This is happening now! Men who say they are women are in women’s prisons and it is totally inhumane! Trans is a lie! Sex is Real, Gender is fiction. And the only people it benefits is Men!
Yes. Tim Walz was one of the first to approve of the transfer of a male to a women’s prison. The situation for the women trapped there is horrifying.